[dcarrie]: 00:00:01

All right, so salutations and ship folks. welcome. welcome. Welcome back to another episode of your favorite Chop

[dcarrie]: 00:00:09

podcast Traveling Ship, where your host carry, Have an experiential conversation about the nuance ways that travel

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intersects with regular life. And if you are watching on the You tubes, as I mention every week that beautiful faces

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get to be seen, I've got a beautiful guest and she is making me miss Hair. Adrian. Welcome. thank you for joining

[dcarrie]: 00:00:33

me. Please go right ahead and introduce yourself

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:00:36

Hi, everyone, my name is Adrian Waller. I also am known as the world Educator and I started

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:00:42

living abroad when I was a kid and it never really left me. I love everything education.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:00:48

I love everything black. I love natural hair. I love the things that support people who

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:00:53

look like me.

[dcarrie]: 00:00:55

A man. So already one of the first questions I was going to ask you said you lived abroad as a kid. What has been

[dcarrie]: 00:01:01

your experience with living in board abroad? I am a born and bred New Yorker. I have never sadly lived outside of

[dcarrie]: 00:01:10

New York, and I couldn't even tell you where I would want to live honestly if I didn't live in New York, but I never

[dcarrie]: 00:01:17

saw being ready to move, and a few years ago, baby, this time like I'm over The city. I always thought I would be

[dcarrie]: 00:01:26

a city girl. It went from never thinking I would leave the city. and like, live in long. I'll never live in Long Island.

[dcarrie]: 00:01:32

Is Madge Ry out there? Sure enough, spent college, and like five, six years after college in Long Island, and I

[dcarrie]: 00:01:40

do not have that experience of anything but New York, So please tell me what that was like and how did it color your

[dcarrie]: 00:01:47

M. I guess your sense of new spaces and new opportunity opportunities that weren't home for.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:01:55

So yeah, my mom had this great idea that we would move to Germany after the Berlin Wall

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:02:01

fell and so at five she packed me up now. mind you, my mom is like. I think she's a rock

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:02:07

star. She would never call herself that, but she really is, and she had just got married.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:02:12

I not too long before I turned five. Next, you know, we're up in Germany, and I didn't

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:02:17

realize how kind of like revolutionary that was. You know

[dcarrie]: 00:02:21

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:02:22

in the late eighties like, Oh, wait, what. Now I know. having done it. And so we lived in

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:02:28

Germany for two years. That conflict with the Berlin will actually went better than

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:02:32

expected. My mom worked for the U S. military, so she ended up coming back really really

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:02:36

soon. but my mom also like we lived. I'm from Michigan, but my mom's from the D C. area.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:02:42

I was, had just mentioned that to you, so I've always thought of a bit of travel anyway,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:02:48

so like we were always on a road trip, whether it was driving the D, C. S. and my dad's

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:02:53

family in Texas. I remember, my Parents sponsored us to go to Disney World, but my parents

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:02:58

said we ain't got playing tickets for four people, So we drove from Michigan down

[dcarrie]: 00:03:02

Oh

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:03:02

to or Orlando, You know, made a pit stop, So like travels bein kind of something that

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:03:08

was just kind of ingrained in me very very early. and I didn't realize living abroad had

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:03:13

actually been steeped in there as well, because when I lived abroad as a kid we went.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:03:17

I went up to Ifeltower with my grandmother. I remember going over rickety bridges with

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:03:22

my granddad to go to a castle and going to see that Two lips in Amsterdam. So these

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:03:27

are things I was exposed to five, six and seven years old and then got dumped back into

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:03:31

America, And that was actually a reality check as a child like, Oh, wait, this. this is different

[dcarrie]: 00:03:38

Yeah.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:03:39

So that was kind of my initial. So then in college I got a little taste again and

[dcarrie]: 00:03:45

I'm sorry to cause you. When did you come back to the States? Like How old were you during

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:03:48

I

[dcarrie]: 00:03:49

that

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:03:49

was seven.

[dcarrie]: 00:03:49

time?

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:03:49

I was seven when I came

[dcarrie]: 00:03:50

Okay,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:03:50

back.

[dcarrie]: 00:03:51

okay, you were. You were present. like seven year olds. Kind of get that when you talk to other kids and you realize

[dcarrie]: 00:03:57

like Oh, I'm a little different. That's

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:04:00

Yeah,

[dcarrie]: 00:04:00

not the same Like not everybody has this Okay,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:04:03

Yeah, and even coming back because at first we came back in the military, put us in like

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:04:07

some temporary housing. In the school I was at was super races. so like

[dcarrie]: 00:04:11

M.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:04:11

I not only came from like Germany is white, but then

[dcarrie]: 00:04:14

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:04:14

I came back to like white America, which is a different type of white and it was a very

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:04:19

jarring reality of like racial discrimination, And then we moved to the Detroit area

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:04:25

where I could actually live in the suburbs and be around black people. That was like,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:04:29

like

[dcarrie]: 00:04:30

I

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:04:30

amazing

[dcarrie]: 00:04:30

love Detroit. That's

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:04:32

Detroit,

[dcarrie]: 00:04:32

the one

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:04:32

A whole

[dcarrie]: 00:04:33

state

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:04:33

vive.

[dcarrie]: 00:04:33

that I got to say when I was there and I wasn't even there long. So in fairness to Detroit, I could be just feeling

[dcarrie]: 00:04:41

like the energy, but I loved it and I was just like Oh, I could live here. I can't do that now. I gonna do that.

[dcarrie]: 00:04:47

Gonna play myself, but it felt good. It felt good.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:04:52

Yeah, Detroit is definitely a vive, particularly for like

[dcarrie]: 00:04:56

Hm.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:04:57

black professionals, there are a good number of people. It's a vive very similar to D. C

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:05:02

has that same kind of like

[dcarrie]: 00:05:03

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:05:03

young professional vibe and I just love that, but there was this dichotomy when we first

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:05:08

got back. Detroit Area is very segregated sauce in a really segregated area after living

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:05:13

where, like I was learning to make bread by my baby sitter, you know, in

[dcarrie]: 00:05:17

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:05:17

Germany, and then I come back to like some real race in stuff, so that was a bit jarring

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:05:22

Fast for in college I moved to. I got a University of Michigan go blue, actually representing

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:05:28

the colors right now

[dcarrie]: 00:05:29

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:05:29

anyway, and I got this opportunity to do research. so it wasn't like a regular study

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:05:35

abroad Because study abroad normally paying for the course work and you're paying for everything.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:05:40

No, your sister was like, No, I'm going to have somebody else paid for me to go. They paid

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:05:45

for the ticket, the house, An I got a stip in. I

[dcarrie]: 00:05:48

Nice.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:05:48

got to be published, as you know, part of some research and that was just a really Good

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:05:52

experience And it was the first time I've been in a country that was ran by people who

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:05:56

looked like me And that

[dcarrie]: 00:05:57

Oh,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:05:57

was

[dcarrie]: 00:05:57

where

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:05:57

really

[dcarrie]: 00:05:57

was that?

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:05:57

a South Africa.

[dcarrie]: 00:05:59

Oh nice. Now, what did you? What was your course of study in college?

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:06:02

So an undergrad I studied sociology and organizational studies.

[dcarrie]: 00:06:06

Okay, okay, now, Do you mind if I ask how old you or at least when you went to college?

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:06:10

Yeah,

[dcarrie]: 00:06:10

Because I was speaking to one of my past guests, Sojourner, Hey girl, and I graduated from college in two thousand and seven,

[dcarrie]: 00:06:18

and I remember feeling like, Mind you, I will say, personality plays a large role in this, and I am the least amount

[dcarrie]: 00:06:31

of work possible kind of girl. So if I can find a way to do less to make something happen, I promise you I will spend

[dcarrie]: 00:06:38

more time finding an easier way to do it. Then I'll actually spend doing something. It's just the way my brain works.

[dcarrie]: 00:06:43

but I did not feel as if I had listening to her experience in terms of choosing majors and opportunities for trap Ling through

[dcarrie]: 00:06:53

schools. I did not feel like. Um. Those opportunities existed for me. I felt like school was just a right to show up.

[dcarrie]: 00:07:01

This is the course of study I chose. So if I'm not going to change my major, then this is what you commit to. This

[dcarrie]: 00:07:07

is what you do. I just wanted to finish, get my little piece o paper and be done, but listening to all the options.

[dcarrie]: 00:07:13

Then there was this major and this major. I changed to this and I'm like the major's just sounded so nuance in detail

[dcarrie]: 00:07:19

like there was opportunity and choice and it could also just be the school. Also Now this is something that I'm

[dcarrie]: 00:07:24

hyper aware of, so like whenever somebody mentioned opportunities that they experienced in college, I'm wondering.

[dcarrie]: 00:07:31

Was it the time that I went to school? College was just college, Is what it is, or was it just me?

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:07:38

No, I gradsawaited before you. So

[dcarrie]: 00:07:40

Okay?

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:07:41

um, no, I do think To Michigans credit, I do think that the always they are trying to always

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:07:47

push the button. You know what the education look like in things like that. That's one

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:07:52

thing part of why in transparency and I love H. B. C. So there's no just here. My mom went to be

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:07:58

state and she took me to visit and she was like Hey, here's where I went. You want to

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:08:02

consider it, But my mom's biggest thing is that when she was in college, she had to go

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:08:07

to University of Mirror To get anything that was like extra. She's like, You know, I

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:08:11

wanted to take certain courses. I had to go to University of Maryland. I wanted to do

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:08:16

certain programs to go to university F. Maryland. she's like now, I'm really glad they

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:08:19

had that partnership She's like, but I didn't like the idea that I had to leave my campus

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:08:23

to

[dcarrie]: 00:08:23

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:08:24

go somewhere else, So like as I was looking through where I was going to go because I did

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:08:29

apply to bout H. C. And you know, Pew, part of why I picked Michigan beyond the fact

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:08:34

that they sent me a video tape with James R. Jones telling me he went there and how Awesome

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:08:38

it was and I kind of was like This is amazing. Um, it was the ability that I knew that

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:08:44

I was not maybe a hundred per cent short of what I wanted to do and they had so many majors

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:08:50

to pick. From now I was like the second class of people to do organizational study, so

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:08:55

it was a very new. Now it's a very common place thing. You see a lot of it in business

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:09:00

schools and things like that, but for me it was like the perfect intersection, and to

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:09:04

your point there was a lot of choice like we got to do this in called picking A pathway.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:09:09

So like within your major, you had to outline like there are all these courses you could

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:09:13

take as they were like cross disciplinary, So like there are some social classes, some

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:09:17

antro classes, so e con classes. all these classes in like different apartments, where

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:09:22

normally you pick a major in all your classes are in that major organizational studies

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:09:27

didn't have. That same approach is said. Yeah, we have some classes, but you're going

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:09:31

to benefit from being in the liberal arts college. You can pick through all of these,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:09:35

but they have to sing like a certain song. You need to write. How all of these are connected.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:09:40

So you wrote like one to two sentences, which was called your pathway to say, Like what

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:09:45

the purpose of all your course work was, And then your advisor looked to make sure that

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:09:50

the courses you pick matched along with that pathway that you were talking about, and some

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:09:54

of them were a little broad like it could be like. Mine was much more of a sociology focus.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:09:59

but not all of my classes were in the sociology department. A lot were, which is why I

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:10:03

was able to double major, but not all of them were. So that was a really interesting experience

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:10:08

really Early and like adulthood, teaching about agency and you know,

[dcarrie]: 00:10:12

Yes,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:10:12

picking and vocalizing what you want to need. So

[dcarrie]: 00:10:16

Did you feel like you had to search that out or was it kind of spelled out for you and you just kind of had to make

[dcarrie]: 00:10:21

the decisions

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:10:23

M in terms of the pathway part or finding organizational studies itself.

[dcarrie]: 00:10:28

A little bit of both. just knowing that that was an opportunity for you or that those were options for you. Did you

[dcarrie]: 00:10:33

feel like you had to? Did it feel hidden, or did it feel like if someone didn't know that it was, or how did you

[dcarrie]: 00:10:42

miss this? It was like part of the fresh. What do you call that class when they tell you all what college is like That

[dcarrie]: 00:10:48

orientation? Or is it did you feel like it was something that was made very obvious to you or did you feel like? Because

[dcarrie]: 00:10:56

now I'm thinking in terms of like, Is it a Senality thing? Right? Because then of course it's the school. What does

[dcarrie]: 00:11:01

your school offer? Is it a big school or is a small school? I went to a smaller school. I went to. Adelphi is a private

[dcarrie]: 00:11:07

university up here and I went to smaller schools growing up, And so I know how it always benefited me for my teacher to

[dcarrie]: 00:11:13

know who I was. So that always played in my favor. So I'm like Okay, Well, I'm on a. Just keep that train going

[dcarrie]: 00:11:19

like I'm It's just a thing. it works in my favor and I understood that as a kid, so I went to a smaller university.

[dcarrie]: 00:11:27

so that I did Have like those thousand student classes. and because it never experience that I didn't know what that

[dcarrie]: 00:11:33

was, I knew what it was like to be able to raise my hand be like Miss. I don't get this. Can we got to figure something?

[dcarrie]: 00:11:38

Explain that So I knew small school was for me, but I'm thinking like, Did it now? I don't to say hinder, but did

[dcarrie]: 00:11:45

it not necessarily offer as many opportunities? Or is it that I just didn't look into enough opportunity, Because

[dcarrie]: 00:11:52

now at my age, I'm thinking the whole kids things, and I have my younger cousins and I would love to be able to

[dcarrie]: 00:11:57

say This is where I dropped the ball. Don't do what I did? You have to actually look for these things or is it that?

[dcarrie]: 00:12:04

No, They're actually just handing it to you. How did I miss it? But now you shouldn't miss it.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:12:10

Yeah, I don't think. I definitely don't think it was a hundred percent handed. But one

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:12:14

thing, another part of like picking my university is during, like when you went up for

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:12:18

like, kind of like figuring stuff out. One of the first things that Michigan said is you

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:12:22

can make a big school small. You can't make a small school big, so that that actually probably

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:12:28

was a pivotal

[dcarrie]: 00:12:29

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:12:30

decision maker for me, and so, hearing that and then my mom, knowing so I was very much

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:12:35

the opposite like I was always that like Im, go go get it. Like are friends who say To

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:12:40

me now, Agent. If you speak something out that you wanted to happen, it's going to happen

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:12:45

like right now. My next big goal is to be like, start doing keynotes speaking and they're

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:12:49

like they're like That's going to happen because you've decided it's going to happen,

[dcarrie]: 00:12:53

You're

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:12:53

and once

[dcarrie]: 00:12:53

going to

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:12:54

you

[dcarrie]: 00:12:54

be great

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:12:54

deidethank

[dcarrie]: 00:12:54

at it because you're easy to talk to. So

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:12:56

you, so, to some degree I do think some of it is just my personality, but I also, because

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:13:03

I knew it was a big school and I do, I thrive off like connections from people, which is

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:13:08

why I actually love doing podcast. Because I love this like Back and forth and I learned

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:13:12

about

[dcarrie]: 00:13:12

Hm,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:13:12

somebody knew they learned about me. It brought into my audience all of that stuff. But

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:13:17

I do like that people part. So like Michigan had a lot of programs, so I had an advisor who

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:13:23

was like for minorities, and then I had like a regular advisor. I would meet with both

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:13:27

of them and I would meet with them every semester. And the one who was like for people

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:13:33

of color, I would just talk to it. It was very real. The other one I was like, Make

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:13:37

sure I graduate like

[dcarrie]: 00:13:38

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:13:39

I'm not giving you all now Extra money. Makes sure I graduate. The black one was like

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:13:44

Okay, here's a real. Here's where I struggled. Here's where I'm successful. What should I

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:13:48

be doing? What have you heard about these courses? And I believe it was being very transparent

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:13:53

like I'm a very transparent person. Like, very authentic. Like what you're getting is what

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:13:58

my teachers get with me as an assistant Principle is what my friends get with me when

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:14:01

I date somebody. This is what you get. this

[dcarrie]: 00:14:03

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:14:04

is this is it? So I was very transparent and real with her and I think that she was like,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:14:08

Hey, Because she was in the note right. They know the new majors that are popping up.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:14:12

That's what they have to do and I was like Hey, I'm kind of thinking about this, but I

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:14:16

kind of like this. She's like. Well, this all sounds kind of similar to this. How about

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:14:19

you check it out? Now you do have to apply even though you're already in the college. This

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:14:24

is like a separate thing. you have to apply. And these are the courses you need to take.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:14:28

And there, three courses you needed to take as pre, Rick and I was like. Okay, let's try

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:14:32

it out. She's like, And you know if it doesn't work, you can still do some similar things

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:14:37

to what they're doing, even if it's not within there like Ways that. even with sociology

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:14:42

we can kind of finesse it. so to some degree I'm pretty sure she's the one who kind

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:14:46

of talk to me about it, but it was me taking that initiative to like, Go meet with an

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:14:51

advisor on a regular basis, like literally, before classes, like they would send out the

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:14:56

like. Oh, you're going to be. We're back packing classes. Once I back packed classes,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:15:00

I back packed myself into her office and was like Okay. So is this the right class? Should

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:15:05

I be taking this? And she was super cool and real. That she would even Say like Hey, Don't

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:15:11

take that class this semester. Take it this messer so you can take it with this person so very

[dcarrie]: 00:15:16

Yes, yes,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:15:17

very wanting to see us win. So

[dcarrie]: 00:15:19

And I feel like that process that you were describing absolutely can have its benefits to you travel experiences. like

[dcarrie]: 00:15:29

being able to advocate for yourself in that way to make sure that you are getting what is available to you in all

[dcarrie]: 00:15:37

of the ways that it can best serve you. I feel like that was easily going to be something that, or at least a personal

[dcarrie]: 00:15:44

skill or a trait, personality trade. If you will, that will absolutely apply in travel. So I know you had mentioned

[dcarrie]: 00:15:50

before I went down this rabbit hole about choosing majors that you had a research position that was a little bit

[dcarrie]: 00:15:56

different and they had done a lot of the funding and you had mentioned the researching that you were doing. So Okay,

[dcarrie]: 00:16:02

we can go back to that if you don't mind.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:16:04

Yeah, so essentially now this one was well advertised like. So what I did as I joined

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:16:08

this thing called Undergraduate research opportunity program And there's no way you become a

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:16:13

student at University of Michigan and not hear about Europe, Europe, Europe, Europe, So

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:16:19

it was also like you could do it as like I think, like a course or work study. I needed

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:16:24

money. I did it for work study, And so,

[dcarrie]: 00:16:26

Hm.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:16:27

but then within Europe, they would advertise other things that you, you know, like other

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:16:31

programs that were kind of in the same Vain. So they started talking about minority international

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:16:36

research training program, which is what ended up sending me there and I was like, Oh, this

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:16:42

is cool. I actually ended up applying twice the first time they contacted me afterwards

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:16:47

and they're like, Hey, we really wanted you to get get this because I was a soft more.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:16:51

An they're like, but we just had a few strong candidates who are a little bit older and

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:16:55

won't have another

[dcarrie]: 00:16:56

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:16:56

chance

[dcarrie]: 00:16:56

yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:16:57

at it.

[dcarrie]: 00:16:57

okay,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:16:58

Applied next year and we'll guarantee that you go.

[dcarrie]: 00:17:01

Oh, nice. come

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:17:02

and I

[dcarrie]: 00:17:02

on,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:17:02

was like, Okay.

[dcarrie]: 00:17:04

Yeah, that's a good now. I can take that is not right now

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:17:07

Yeah,

[dcarrie]: 00:17:07

easy. I'll take it.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:17:08

so I applied the next year and got to South Africa. One. I only applied to black ones. There

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:17:13

was a hat one in the South Africa one. They had

[dcarrie]: 00:17:15

I want

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:17:15

Japan

[dcarrie]: 00:17:15

to go to hate so bad.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:17:17

girl. My mom was just anyway. Well, grab it hole down there. Yes,

[dcarrie]: 00:17:20

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:17:21

me to. those are the only two I applied to. So when I got South Africa, I was like cool,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:17:26

so that

[dcarrie]: 00:17:26

Hm.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:17:26

was a very liberating experience for me in terms of like seeing a country of people. Also, it

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:17:33

was so close. I think a part time was only maybe Ten years like out, And so the conversation

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:17:41

you were having with people were very different than how you would talk about race in the

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:17:45

Us. being so many years from. You know the end of segregation and it was a very open

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:17:50

Is like my roommate because you end up with a room mate like we had a three bedroom, But

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:17:54

it was only two of us. You, me and my room mate would go places together and she was

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:17:59

white because it was the first year you know all that affirmative action stuff. Sure,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:18:02

so she, you know, she

[dcarrie]: 00:18:03

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:18:04

was a part of a great person, great human being. But me and her would do stuff together and

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:18:08

we would

[dcarrie]: 00:18:09

And

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:18:09

get

[dcarrie]: 00:18:09

she

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:18:09

in to

[dcarrie]: 00:18:09

was

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:18:09

taxes.

[dcarrie]: 00:18:09

South African

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:18:10

She was white American from,

[dcarrie]: 00:18:12

From American. Okay,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:18:13

probably from Michigan to I don't yeh. Anyway, she went to Michigan. She was just a

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:18:16

regular white person, but we would get into cars and like taxes, and they would ask us

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:18:22

like. Oh, why are you two hanging out like, just bluntly like you know. Like how do you

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:18:26

all become friends? Like how

[dcarrie]: 00:18:27

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:18:27

do you all know each other just because she was white and it was black And so that fuel

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:18:32

a lot of open discussion about like their journey with race, Their understanding of it.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:18:37

I just was really really good for me, as like a just joined my sorority. So I was, you

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:18:42

know, like it was a lot of things. I was kind of just deeply thinking about and questioning

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:18:47

and thinking about like myself. Like who I am. Who do I want to be? Who do I want to

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:18:52

be in the world? What else is out there in the world? So that was a really good experience.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:18:57

So those were the two experiences before I actually moved abroad as an educator. That kind of got

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:19:05

me Really like. Yes, I do think I want to do this and I became a teacher and I was like,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:19:11

Oh, I can't afford to go nowhere. I can't

[dcarrie]: 00:19:13

Hm,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:19:13

do think like you know, Um, and then it got to a point where me and my mom actually started

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:19:19

doing cruises. It was after my day passed and it was like I like we're going to spend time

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:19:23

together, so like I would save up all year to go on this one cruise like that

[dcarrie]: 00:19:28

M.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:19:28

That That was,

[dcarrie]: 00:19:29

yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:19:30

and then, after doing that once, then I heard about like teachers going and teaching in

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:19:36

other countries. Wait, You can do this somewhere else. Why didn't I think like? Yeah,

[dcarrie]: 00:19:41

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:19:41

everybody needs like I

[dcarrie]: 00:19:42

a

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:19:42

didn't.

[dcarrie]: 00:19:43

teacher,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:19:44

but it didn't click. And so I started looking into it and I was like, Oh, okay, like,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:19:51

And the girl

[dcarrie]: 00:19:51

Hm,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:19:52

I knew she was like Well, I did it and she was like, and I was able to save a lot of money

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:19:56

and travel, and like you know, become a better teacher, Like, and she's like I had a better

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:20:01

work life balance. I was like. So where's the negative in this?

[dcarrie]: 00:20:04

Right,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:20:04

Like? I'm kind of confused, Um, and kind of on a whim, just like, just started applying like

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:20:12

and just started telling people. Oh, I'm going to move to the Middle East. They're like.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:20:15

What? Who are you? and they're like And then all my friends are. Yeah, That sounds about

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:20:20

right. That sounded like something would do,

[dcarrie]: 00:20:22

Hm,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:20:23

and they're like where I was. I don't know. on't have a job yet. They're like Okay,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:20:28

And then

[dcarrie]: 00:20:29

Right,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:20:29

I just kept with it and then next thing you know, I was like Okay, You know how I said

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:20:33

I was going to move to the Iddle East. It really is happening. Now. I know where Going.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:20:37

you know. I'm going to guitar and it just happened And then I was like I kind of did

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:20:42

it. If I'm very honest, I was fed up with teaching in the United States. like fed up

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:20:47

in the sense, like I was questioning whether I was meant to be a educator any more, like

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:20:52

I had been part of the Chicago teachers Union strike, And that was like very training,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:20:56

and really had me seeing how people viewed teachers in a negative way Where I was like

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:21:01

okay, and then moved back home and was at a charter school. I was like this is the same

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:21:05

nonsense I was dealing. The public school is like. This is just what education is. I

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:21:10

was like. Maybe this isn't for me and I was like, Well, let me go try it for years somewhere

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:21:14

else. If it works then maybe I am supposed to be a teacher. That was kind of my thing,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:21:19

Like and everybody's like. What if you don't like it? I was like. If if they can buy me

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:21:23

a ticket there, I can buy myself a ticket back Like that

[dcarrie]: 00:21:26

Right,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:21:26

was always. My theory is like there's got to be a plane that comes this way to like

[dcarrie]: 00:21:30

Okay,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:21:30

you know, So I was like, I'll try it out. I had a whole boy friend had just met him and

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:21:35

I was like, Look if we are working And I'll just come back after a year. I said, Let

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:21:38

me just try this for a year that didn't work out. But that's

[dcarrie]: 00:21:44

Everything

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:21:44

okay.

[dcarrie]: 00:21:44

else seems to, So

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:21:46

Yes,

[dcarrie]: 00:21:46

that's what works. That's what matters

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:21:48

so that's kind of like how I started being abroad. Next thing you know, like I was,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:21:53

I was able to get out of the class room and not in a way like. Oh, I hated being in the

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:21:57

class room, but I knew I wanted a new challenge. You know, some career development and

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:22:02

so got out of the classroom started doing professional development and then it just kind

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:22:06

of Kept growing in. every year there's something new that I've experienced in the education

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:22:12

sphere that I don't know if I would have experienced or even thought to do had I stayed

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:22:18

in the United States, and the biggest one is that first year I got to twelve country, so

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:22:22

I was like yeh, so almost every month I was like

[dcarrie]: 00:22:26

Right. I'm gonna use this time that I actually have off and go

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:22:30

Right

[dcarrie]: 00:22:30

to some place.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:22:31

right.

[dcarrie]: 00:22:31

So what was that initial process like for you? So did you? because I remember when I dabbled with the idea of it. I

[dcarrie]: 00:22:40

initially, because in my mind there were the two pathways to teaching abroad right there was the teach on line to the Chinese

[dcarrie]: 00:22:48

kids. And then the other one was You move abroad and teach the Chinese kids like it's generally, China is the first

[dcarrie]: 00:22:54

place that comes to to mind, But then There's also other places. because like you said, everybody need a No. I can

[dcarrie]: 00:22:59

teach her, But it was always the two, and the only one that I actually applied for was the teaching on line. I did

[dcarrie]: 00:23:06

applied to one of those classes and I remember was during the pandemic, because I was like what else I had to do,

[dcarrie]: 00:23:12

so I ended up doing it and I was trying to do my little practice like one of my home girls was making banks. She was

[dcarrie]: 00:23:18

already a teacher here in the States, but since they were virtual, she was just like. Why do I need a side job here?

[dcarrie]: 00:23:23

I leave my home. I could do a side job where I'm up before my kids. are. I do the little lesson that's like three

[dcarrie]: 00:23:29

o'clock in the morning, and then boom, we go on with the day And you know I've already done my extra work and I don't

[dcarrie]: 00:23:36

have to go anywhere else, so I'm like Okay girl. I could be up at three again. Middle of pandemic. I'm not going

[dcarrie]: 00:23:42

anywhere, so I tried. I did the M. I think in person interview like the little virtual interview and it ain't hired

[dcarrie]: 00:23:49

me, So I was just like Okay.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:23:54

So there are actually quite a few routes to kind of doing the teacher abroad. A lot of it

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:24:00

really depends on your experience, and your qualifications with Out is going to be best

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:24:04

for you. I was at that point in my ninth year teaching when I started applying, so I

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:24:12

had experience. I had t teaching certificates in Chicago and in Michigan, You only really

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:24:17

need one. but I had both of those active just because the time and so I went the route

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:24:22

that qualified teachers would go. Now There

[dcarrie]: 00:24:24

Got

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:24:24

are

[dcarrie]: 00:24:24

it

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:24:24

routes if you're not a qualified teacher, If you're not a qualified teacher, but want

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:24:29

to become a qualified teacher. There's like all these different ways when I talk to clients.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:24:33

How kind of those are? Some of the things I learned about them is like, what are their

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:24:36

long term goals in war are their current credentials, And what? what money are they

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:24:41

willing to spend towards that as well, so as a qualified teacher, you have probably the

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:24:47

most options because you can do any of the things that no qualified teachers could do,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:24:52

plus all the things that you could do with Credentials. So as a qualified teacher that

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:24:58

there's still even a couple of routes you can apply directly to school. so just start researching

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:25:03

schools and apply directly to them, or go through like a recruiting agency And there's quite

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:25:08

a few. I have. I think I've sent this to you as a link. But where you can find, like

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:25:13

all the different recruiters and all of that like, there's like probably twenty or so recruiters

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:25:19

that you can use. Some have specialties and stertain regions of the world, So if you

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:25:24

know You want to go to a very particular area, one recruiter might be better than the

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:25:29

other. If you're like, I just want to go. Then there's other recruiters that I have

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:25:32

like a much more global presence, so they're going to be able to get you. Basically any

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:25:37

country you know, have schools that are in those areas, so those are kind of the two

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:25:41

main ways as a qualified teacher and then you go through your traditional interview process,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:25:46

Some type of virtual interview. You know, it used to be scaped when I first started doing it,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:25:50

but you know now Zoom, and Google meets and teams and that type, Then you have your

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:25:56

resume, your profile, All of that stuff, and then one misnomers that most people think

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:26:01

that you have to take care of your visas yourself If a school is asking you to take care

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:26:06

of your visa. Run like that's like the biggest lie. Like that school is not either established.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:26:14

There's some. now. There are probably a few exceptions by country, but I've never heard

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:26:18

of a country in a school where as an educator you have to work on your visa. So that's

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:26:24

like A big one that people get worried about that Here about you need a visa. What you do?

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:26:29

But your school to take care of most of that, you'll just have to get paper work to them

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:26:32

around, like your degree in your teaching qualification. So

[dcarrie]: 00:26:36

Okay? So when you got a brook you're there, you said you ended up in guitar. Okay, So what was that work life balance?

[dcarrie]: 00:26:45

Like? What was that experience that made you decide? You know what this feels good? I'm going to now travel with it.

[dcarrie]: 00:26:50

What was that travel experience like once you got there? And how did that look different than what it was like for you

[dcarrie]: 00:26:55

here in the States?

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:26:56

So one big difference was just a work day. So we started at seven a M. I'm a morning person,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:27:00

so that was great and we were done at two

[dcarrie]: 00:27:03

Okay,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:27:04

right. so by two thirty I at home with a whole day, you know in front of me, so that

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:27:09

was one part, another part was every day we had what teachers called praps. we had about

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:27:14

two a day plus like recess, so it was a lot of time where kids weren't. I think there were

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:27:22

some days I had three as well. I know, for sure, I had at least two, so there was just

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:27:26

a The time that I had to actually think and get like my mind around things before the

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:27:32

day started, and I think we might have started at. the teachers might have started at

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:27:36

seven in the kids at seven thirty, but then on the other end is end your work day that one

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:27:41

to two, because kids got off at one from one to two is when we did meetings. so instead

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:27:46

of trying to cram it during your day, like you could leave your prep untouched and then just

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:27:51

meet in the hour you required to be at school anyway, so you could parent meetings, Time meetings

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:27:57

with your team, and anything that you needed really could get Don, because you had a whole

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:28:01

hour to get it done, And so I didn't really have to take much home if I used my time at

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:28:07

school wisely. You know, when I first got there, I was in the teacher's loud, hanging

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:28:11

out to chat, and then I was taking work home, but I was like, Yeah, I didn't come here

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:28:16

to take work on like

[dcarrie]: 00:28:17

Nope,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:28:17

I came here to have a balance, so I just started like, kind of like. I'm not saying. I never

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:28:22

talked in the teacher's lounge, but I was like Look, I'm going to grind this stuff out

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:28:26

and less I headed the game. I'm not really chit chatting because when I go home, I can chit

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:28:31

chat with you there like, but I can also do whatever else I want. I can

[dcarrie]: 00:28:35

We

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:28:35

go

[dcarrie]: 00:28:35

could

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:28:35

to

[dcarrie]: 00:28:35

chit

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:28:35

the ball

[dcarrie]: 00:28:35

chat over a burgher or

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:28:37

right

[dcarrie]: 00:28:37

over a

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:28:38

A

[dcarrie]: 00:28:38

nice

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:28:38

drink.

[dcarrie]: 00:28:38

flap or something.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:28:39

Yes,

[dcarrie]: 00:28:39

You know what I mean like we ain't got to do it here.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:28:41

right. So I just started working like that and so now I had hours of time, you know, Like,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:28:47

let's say, it took me even a while to get home. I got home at three o'clock. I'm home at

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:28:52

three

[dcarrie]: 00:28:52

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:28:52

in the United States. Kids are still looking at me at three o'clock. You know, So I'm

[dcarrie]: 00:28:56

Hm,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:28:56

At home and able to like. Oh, go run errands, Go do this. I could

[dcarrie]: 00:29:01

White

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:29:01

go

[dcarrie]: 00:29:02

man's

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:29:02

run

[dcarrie]: 00:29:02

everything.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:29:02

errands and still be done by five with all my

[dcarrie]: 00:29:04

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:29:05

rrands, right. and still then go do something else if I wanted to. And so that was just

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:29:10

opening to me. So there was a balance. There was also an appreciation for my intelligence

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:29:16

and my like, what I knew and who I was as an educator, which for my soul was really good.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:29:22

Like it was

[dcarrie]: 00:29:22

M.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:29:23

very affirm. because I was really questioning out. I started. I was like, I must not

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:29:26

be a good tea Because this is not working for me. What I knew. What I know now is what I

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:29:31

needed as a teacher was time to reflect, time to think and time to plan. and when given

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:29:36

that, I actually do a really good job, but when I don't have that, Yeah, I am actually a bad

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:29:40

teacher. I'll say that you know like

[dcarrie]: 00:29:41

Okay,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:29:41

that's not where I thrive. I need that time to kind of sit in, organize things and put it

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:29:47

together so that I can create a great experience for my students. But when given that

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:29:52

I do some awesome, I do some pretty hot ship. you know,

[dcarrie]: 00:29:55

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:29:55

like, like You're like, That's a class room you want to be in And then I also had a teaching

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:30:00

assistant who came and

[dcarrie]: 00:30:01

Wow,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:30:01

helped me and I was like, Wait, So I have a teaching assistant. Have all these crops. I

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:30:05

have this time after school, this time before school. A class of sixteen, seventeen kids.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:30:10

so I'm not overwhelmed

[dcarrie]: 00:30:11

Wow,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:30:11

with too many kids like there were so many things about it. Now the school I was at was

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:30:17

a hot mess Like who, but where I saw they were a mess. I'm very organized. They weren't

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:30:23

organized. so I just started stepping up and saying. Well, let me organize This. Let me do

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:30:27

this. You know. Oh, here's what I put together for that in that position, me to be competitive

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:30:32

for like leadership positions because they're like. Oh, this girl is good. She's really investing

[dcarrie]: 00:30:37

Hm.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:30:37

in us. This makes us look better. You know, I started a p to, and you know I ran the book.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:30:43

What's that book thing? when

[dcarrie]: 00:30:45

Like

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:30:45

they

[dcarrie]: 00:30:45

the school,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:30:45

come in

[dcarrie]: 00:30:46

the book,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:30:46

Book

[dcarrie]: 00:30:46

Drive

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:30:46

fair?

[dcarrie]: 00:30:47

far,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:30:47

Book? there we go. Oh girl. I know that

[dcarrie]: 00:30:49

Special heart, I love. That used to be my favorite time of the year When I tell you that's one of my own personal

[dcarrie]: 00:30:56

goals is to be able to sponsor a book for Er, so the babies don't have to ask for no money Because my mom worked at

[dcarrie]: 00:31:02

my school. My mom was a teacher and my mom was the kinder garden teacher at my elementary school. And yeah, horrible

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:31:08

Kinder.

[dcarrie]: 00:31:08

experience. it was terrible. but I have a special place in my heart for teachers and I thought I wanted to be a teacher

[dcarrie]: 00:31:14

for the longest because my grandma was also a teacher. so it was like this. Is it like Grandma? My mama? Like Okay,

[dcarrie]: 00:31:21

I know where it is to a dance class, So I loved working with kids. So it was like this is for me. My mother was like.

[dcarrie]: 00:31:27

Maybe not,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:31:29

Yeah,

[dcarrie]: 00:31:29

You're not likely to be able to do it the way you want to do it, Because she knew that I'm great with kids, But it's

[dcarrie]: 00:31:37

like the lesson plans to showing up for this meeting doing this and Phil, so I appreciate my mom for like, put me

[dcarrie]: 00:31:43

on game because I don't know that I would have been very happy in the The way that I know it happens here, But it

[dcarrie]: 00:31:53

was so clutched because the book fair for us that my elementary school was on the first floor and it ended at her

[dcarrie]: 00:31:58

door, so I got right up to that little desk and was like Hey Miss Church or Hey Miss Mela, Whoever was at the desk,

[dcarrie]: 00:32:05

How much? hold on one second knock, my little hand on that door, Mama, I need forty two dollars and seventeen sent

[dcarrie]: 00:32:13

should be like here's this. twenty. Then I'd

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:32:16

Yeah,

[dcarrie]: 00:32:17

have to scale it back, but I definitely want to be. It's the sponsor of a book for little babies can walk away with

[dcarrie]: 00:32:22

what they want or something and not have to you know, Worry about whether not somebody has the funds to give them.

[dcarrie]: 00:32:28

It's a book like a child should never be denied a book. You know what I mean. I just really really want to be able to

[dcarrie]: 00:32:34

do that at some point, but you ran the To and the book fair. please continue.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:32:39

Ou know. just like created a duty schedule Was like. I just kept doing

[dcarrie]: 00:32:43

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:32:43

things like I was like. Oh, we need this temple here you go like. And then that afforded

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:32:48

me with, like, Really opened the door for me to get into leadership. And so you know, I never

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:32:54

looked back. I love. leadership. Leadership was really what I think I was missing. Like when I

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:32:58

was an undergrad, Like I was a speaker of the black student union, I was in my sorority.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:33:03

I was a minority peer adviser, So like in high school, I was president of the medical Aca, I

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:33:09

mean, and I was, you know, in the black awareness club and national ones decided So that's

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:33:13

always been me like that, leading like I remember when I walked out because I was like

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:33:18

a slow reader. I walked out of like reading. support like this is for stupid kids. I'm

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:33:22

not doing this and walked out like so very very early. I

[dcarrie]: 00:33:26

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:33:26

was one to like, fight for what I wanted. what I needed to lead others, and I think

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:33:32

it was a piece I was missing in education of what I was actually getting burned out, as I

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:33:36

was actually mentally getting bored with that thing King and I needed. I needed the problem

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:33:41

solving of like dealing with people figuring out like, Oh, here, the organizational constraints.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:33:47

What do we do now? How can we make this go? But we have all of these things or get this

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:33:52

like. I love that aspect, but doing it paring with like what I believe is good pedagogy

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:33:57

for students. What I know about special education To be in a train, special education teacher

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:34:01

Like that, Those things just really get me excited. So

[dcarrie]: 00:34:06

Special. My grandma was a special at and my boy friends, Mom is, also, she was a special at Paris. She just retired. We're

[dcarrie]: 00:34:14

done.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:34:14

Okangrats.

[dcarrie]: 00:34:15

But so living abroad you were able to travel abroad. What were those travel opportunities? Like Where you? Where did

[dcarrie]: 00:34:23

you go? What was that experience?

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:34:25

My first trip was to the U. E, which wasn't far. So that was another thing like just moving.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:34:30

You already got one country you know under your belt and then all the countries that are

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:34:34

near you. You can now go at an affordable rate. The amount that I spent to get to Srilanca

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:34:41

is what I would spend from Detroit to so like that. That was like a. like. How are these

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:34:47

the same? and so like, I went to the U. E Ty land. Then my mom came to visit me. We

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:34:55

went back to the U. because she wanted to go. We went to Greece and to Italy, and then I

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:35:01

went with some girl friends to Srilanca. Then I went to By rain to go see a friend's friend

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:35:09

performing, and by rain, Um, I went to. Where else did I go? I went to the. Oh, Then I

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:35:21

did some solo trips, which was really empowering and it's something I really encourage particularly

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:35:26

black women. But women in general, to do is to like, feel the empowerment and I do slow

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:35:32

traveling different than most people do. So like I am like a. I will stay in a hostile,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:35:38

not because I'm cheap, but actually I feel safer in that space because there are people

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:35:43

who are kind of naturally looking at you and I am cheap. Let me not say that I am, but

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:35:48

that That's why I do hostiles, But then they also give you really cheap things to do like they

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:35:52

know

[dcarrie]: 00:35:52

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:35:52

that most people who were saying a hospital don't want to spend a lot of money, but want

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:35:55

to have good experiences. So the things that they recommend at the front desk

[dcarrie]: 00:35:59

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:35:59

are really budget friendly and good experiences. So I solo travel to England and then went

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:36:06

to did this. I went on a group on. I got a group on because girl I didn't know group.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:36:10

I was in so many countries, so I got

[dcarrie]: 00:36:12

Right

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:36:12

like England in a day for like half the price, and it was like a real half the price Because

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:36:17

when I was on the bus, Girl who said next to me was like, Is that a group was like proud.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:36:23

She's

[dcarrie]: 00:36:23

Right,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:36:23

like, Oh man I was. he's like she's like.

[dcarrie]: 00:36:25

right,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:36:25

Can I ask you how

[dcarrie]: 00:36:26

your

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:36:26

much

[dcarrie]: 00:36:26

little

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:36:26

you pay?

[dcarrie]: 00:36:26

eight forty sis, like

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:36:28

Yes, and that's

[dcarrie]: 00:36:29

I went,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:36:29

exactly. I paid

[dcarrie]: 00:36:30

were

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:36:30

a hundred.

[dcarrie]: 00:36:30

on the

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:36:30

She

[dcarrie]: 00:36:30

same

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:36:30

paid

[dcarrie]: 00:36:31

bush

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:36:31

two hundred, Eh,

[dcarrie]: 00:36:32

wolf.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:36:32

and she's like she said that. That was exactly what she said to me. We're on the same,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:36:36

but I was like.

[dcarrie]: 00:36:36

Yes,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:36:38

So I did England and got to go to Stone Hedge, And that was just really

[dcarrie]: 00:36:42

Nice,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:36:42

like amazing. Like

[dcarrie]: 00:36:44

wow,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:36:44

things, kind of see you on T. V,

[dcarrie]: 00:36:45

yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:36:46

and cartoons replicate

[dcarrie]: 00:36:47

hm,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:36:47

to see it Person. Um, I did Madrid, and then from Madrid, I went to a city called Toledo,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:36:54

Because like I like to do like these, like offshoot day trip to, I really get the real

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:36:58

culture and not just do the tourist things. So I went there and that was really good,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:37:02

And then I also went to Amsterdam, but then when I was in Amsterdam, I took a train over

[dcarrie]: 00:37:07

Hm,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:37:08

and went to Brussels, like,

[dcarrie]: 00:37:09

nice,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:37:10

literally, like a day trip. first train in one of the last trains out. You know,

[dcarrie]: 00:37:14

Hm.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:37:14

So I had like the time. I didn't even need to get a hotel. I just stayed at

[dcarrie]: 00:37:17

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:37:17

my own

[dcarrie]: 00:37:17

beautiful

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:37:17

the same place I was in, so that right there, just that Europe one got me a bunch of countries

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:37:24

in. And then you know I just kept going places like The more you travel, the more like

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:37:29

people are like. Oh, like, I didn't want to go to Srilanca, but these girls wanted to go

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:37:33

to, and I was like. Well, I got nobody to go with, So

[dcarrie]: 00:37:36

Right the chick.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:37:37

Srilanka,

[dcarrie]: 00:37:37

The ticket

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:37:37

it is

[dcarrie]: 00:37:38

ain't that expensive from here. Let's go like if I'mgonaspend a hundred dollars. I spend a hundred dollars

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:37:42

Right.

[dcarrie]: 00:37:42

in Triana, as opposed to on something stupid.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:37:44

Yeah, yeah,

[dcarrie]: 00:37:45

So what

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:37:46

so

[dcarrie]: 00:37:46

was the? So do? I don't know if it's Did they just have more time off Because I know you were done at like two o'clock,

[dcarrie]: 00:37:56

But so does Was your vacation time Just more extensive being

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:38:00

Yeah,

[dcarrie]: 00:38:00

overseas?

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:38:01

yeah, so I had a fall break, so a whole week off in the fall

[dcarrie]: 00:38:07

Hm.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:38:07

and then those are good travel time because it's off season as well then, and I'll just

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:38:13

do my school schedule down. I have a fall break now.

[dcarrie]: 00:38:16

Hm.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:38:16

I had three weeks for Christmas time.

[dcarrie]: 00:38:19

God,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:38:20

I'm talking to you now because I'm on another break.

[dcarrie]: 00:38:23

Nice,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:38:23

I have spring break, which has like an extra day or so added on to it, plus the other little

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:38:28

holidays that Get in there, so like very solid amounts of like real time off, Um, along with

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:38:38

sometimes because you're an international school, they expect you to do international

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:38:42

thing, So like if you're applying for a conference, you're going out like there's like.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:38:47

I'm not really, probably doing the conference in a man. I'm doing the conference. Like

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:38:51

the conference I have coming up is in Guatemala. When you go visit a school to say like you're

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:38:56

going to be a part of an accreditation team. That's technically the U. S. but it's Rico,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:39:00

and like I go to Porter, like this time next week I'll be sitting in Porto Rico, so like

[dcarrie]: 00:39:04

Nice,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:39:04

there's that, but there's also just like where you are. proximity, like places that would

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:39:10

have cost you more if you were leaving from the U. S. are now just more accessible to you.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:39:15

So things

[dcarrie]: 00:39:15

Absolutely

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:39:15

that, like I was in a tar and I was like, Oh, we have a long weekend. What I can do with

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:39:21

a long weekend already abroad is very different than

[dcarrie]: 00:39:24

Yes,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:39:24

what I can do on a long week end in Detroit. So like

[dcarrie]: 00:39:27

Right,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:39:27

we had a long weekend, we went to Turk. We

[dcarrie]: 00:39:30

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:39:30

had another long weekend. I went to Oman, like you know, like those

[dcarrie]: 00:39:33

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:39:33

are the things

[dcarrie]: 00:39:33

I can drive

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:39:34

I was.

[dcarrie]: 00:39:34

to D C for a nice little long week, and I could drive to Hartford for a cute little, you know, full day. come back

[dcarrie]: 00:39:40

Sunday, but here you are in like Tamboolor, Here

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:39:44

Yes.

[dcarrie]: 00:39:44

you are in like Budapest. You know what I mean.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:39:47

Yes,

[dcarrie]: 00:39:47

Just because you're right there, it just makes more sense. Your D C is like my D. C is your turkey

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:39:53

Another country.

[dcarrie]: 00:39:54

right. So where are you located now?

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:39:56

I'm in the Cayman Islands.

[dcarrie]: 00:39:57

Okay, So do they have? Like? Is there a summer? Because it's always summer, So like does That? Is

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:40:04

I

[dcarrie]: 00:40:04

that

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:40:04

never

[dcarrie]: 00:40:04

a

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:40:04

replied.

[dcarrie]: 00:40:04

thing for international schools? Like?

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:40:08

Yeah, there's still a summer break And

[dcarrie]: 00:40:09

Okay,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:40:09

so you? still? you still have

[dcarrie]: 00:40:11

Wow,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:40:11

that, so we

[dcarrie]: 00:40:12

So

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:40:12

will

[dcarrie]: 00:40:12

you still

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:40:13

end school.

[dcarrie]: 00:40:13

have like you're at least two months, maybe three months off for the summer, But then like a three week Christmas break

[dcarrie]: 00:40:19

and a two week I am, she was in shockin. Wow,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:40:24

It's not three. It's definitely not three months, and as an administrator

[dcarrie]: 00:40:27

Okay,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:40:27

mind is a little bit shorter teachers.

[dcarrie]: 00:40:30

Hm,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:40:30

it's about like seven weeks, administrators. it's five and students. it is like a full two

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:40:36

months for a student.

[dcarrie]: 00:40:37

Oh, that is beautiful. So in terms of the opportunity to, because you mentioned, if you're an international teacher,

[dcarrie]: 00:40:45

they want you to do international things. Where do you think the opportunity for teachers who decide to teach abroad

[dcarrie]: 00:40:52

really lies? Is it more in being the teacher or more so in like where you are in administration?

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:40:59

I think it just depends on what you want. I think that either one is really like when

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:41:04

I was a teacher. I love that as well. you know what I mean, Like, my friend was a counsellor

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:41:08

and a college councillor, so she was going visiting the colleges or at international location.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:41:13

So like a lot of it's what you make it. Also the caliber of school like my first school

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:41:18

was not going to be paying for me to go nowhere. But like all these schools after that definitely

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:41:24

were you know willing to invest when I was in China, You know, I had applied to go Um

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:41:30

and take participating the conference I wasn't presenting That was going to be in V.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:41:36

Nd. It was like Oh yeah, that that. That's kind of what happens. Like you know your part

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:41:40

of these weginal conferences and you participate and that's where we get good learning and

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:41:45

you also show off your school by me attending and go when they see a black woman who

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:41:49

wears her, her natural. Who's at this school in China. It also opens to other people

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:41:53

that that's a possibility for them right that like I become like

[dcarrie]: 00:41:57

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:41:58

a representation Of like access and equity and things like that as well.

[dcarrie]: 00:42:02

Yeah, I'm familiar. I was that token black kid from a high school, So yeah, I, too, was on every like high school.

[dcarrie]: 00:42:10

Shine When I tell you I did all the clubs all the activities. I was home Reb class president, like senior vice president, Like

[dcarrie]: 00:42:19

I did all the stuff in high school, But then I got into college and was like I'm gonna show up. I hired of like

[dcarrie]: 00:42:25

I gotten over that, So for me that was like a shift, but you mentioned china. So what was China like? Were you in

[dcarrie]: 00:42:33

China? And because I know you know, conversation is coming next, but please

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:42:37

M.

[dcarrie]: 00:42:37

let's

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:42:38

M.

[dcarrie]: 00:42:38

let's let's tap dance on that one.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:42:40

So I got the bright idea to move to China in the great year of twenty ninety,

[dcarrie]: 00:42:46

Our Lord's year twenty nineteen.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:42:48

Which it was amazing. I was like

[dcarrie]: 00:42:50

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:42:50

this is great. I love it. I can't believe it. Look, my money goes so far. I can live off

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:42:55

a five hundred dollars for a whole month. Like

[dcarrie]: 00:42:57

Wow,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:42:57

where they do? Where do they

[dcarrie]: 00:42:59

in

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:42:59

do

[dcarrie]: 00:42:59

China.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:42:59

that?

[dcarrie]: 00:42:59

Go

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:43:00

Yeah,

[dcarrie]: 00:43:00

figure.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:43:01

it's

[dcarrie]: 00:43:01

I didn't

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:43:01

so

[dcarrie]: 00:43:01

know

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:43:01

cheap.

[dcarrie]: 00:43:01

China was that expense in expensive. I don't know

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:43:04

Yep.

[dcarrie]: 00:43:04

why I thought it was wild price

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:43:07

When

[dcarrie]: 00:43:07

to

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:43:07

you

[dcarrie]: 00:43:07

get

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:43:07

think

[dcarrie]: 00:43:07

there.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:43:07

of anything you bought that was cheap. Where did it come from?

[dcarrie]: 00:43:10

I mean, yes, this is true. absolutely correct point

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:43:13

Also,

[dcarrie]: 00:43:13

made, but

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:43:14

Yes, but geographically, it's only a little bit smaller than the Us. geographically, and

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:43:19

it has quite a range of toptopography

[dcarrie]: 00:43:23

Yeah, topography. I get where

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:43:24

there

[dcarrie]: 00:43:24

you're gonna,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:43:24

with Thank you

[dcarrie]: 00:43:26

because all I did was Shanghai for a day and it was great, but

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:43:30

And that's where I lived actually,

[dcarrie]: 00:43:32

Okay

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:43:32

But you can, you can really like. so I remember, I would get breakfast for seventy two cents.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:43:37

You know, like you like you know, I'm doing the conversion. You know, five. and so you

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:43:41

know you're taking the train and that's seventy two cents as well, So you can do a whole

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:43:46

lot and might do. I just told you, I, at breakfast took the train. I could come back.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:43:50

Go get dinner for five, S. D, And so you tell out that was ten dollars.

[dcarrie]: 00:43:56

Right,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:43:56

Not even

[dcarrie]: 00:43:56

barely

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:43:56

you

[dcarrie]: 00:43:57

spent

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:43:57

know

[dcarrie]: 00:43:57

ten dollars in a day.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:43:59

right. So you really

[dcarrie]: 00:44:00

Wow,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:44:00

could? I live off a very little and that was really rewarding because I was like, Oh,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:44:05

I'm actually getting paid more. Have a better position and I'm not spending as much.

[dcarrie]: 00:44:09

So when you get

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:44:10

God.

[dcarrie]: 00:44:10

paid, do you? I assume you're paid in American dollars? Does it go to like an min? How does that? Okay? So what does

[dcarrie]: 00:44:16

that the payment look like when you're teaching abroad?

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:44:19

So there are a few schools that will. There are

[dcarrie]: 00:44:21

Okay,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:44:22

a few so, but most of the time your contracts are going to be quoted in their money with

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:44:28

a conversion and so like you're converting it. And so you get paid into a local. Typically

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:44:34

there are like I said, It's just like the U. S. Any rule you talk about is Well, if

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:44:39

you're in this state, is this

[dcarrie]: 00:44:40

Got it

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:44:41

Yeah, so

[dcarrie]: 00:44:41

regional

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:44:41

kind of very similar.

[dcarrie]: 00:44:42

matters

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:44:42

Yeah, right, but for the most part, overwhelmingly you're going to get paid in the local

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:44:47

currency. Your contract is going Quota in the local currency and you're gonna have a

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:44:51

local bank. Now. Any good international school is going to have you either work with or

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:44:57

recommend banks that have international like relations, So

[dcarrie]: 00:45:01

Fair?

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:45:02

very low transaction fees. if any, for like sending money when I was in China. Actually

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:45:08

you could. actually, they would pay into a Us. account. That was the only place it did

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:45:12

because it is quite difficult to get your money out of China if they don't do it for you, So

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:45:17

I would, you could actually aleck Each month what percentage you wanted and so like I, automatically

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:45:22

right off the top. Had thirty percent just go straight to my Us. account and then or

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:45:27

they ended up switching because I was like I got a bunch of money left over, so I switched

[dcarrie]: 00:45:30

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:45:30

it, But you could have so much routed there and then so much to your local account because

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:45:34

you want to do business every day in that currency. you have to.

[dcarrie]: 00:45:37

Right.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:45:38

That is one of the things you first adjust to is like when I came to came, it was the sticker

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:45:43

shock of everything. like, Oh, this stuff is expensive. but eventually you just accept that

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:45:48

this is how much you Should or shouldn't pay here

[dcarrie]: 00:45:51

Got

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:45:51

for

[dcarrie]: 00:45:51

it.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:45:51

something. And even in Cat was the same, it was like certain stuff was really expensive,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:45:55

but the other things were really cheap. So

[dcarrie]: 00:45:57

Yeah, Remember eating real well over there. I was just like. It's only like thirty dollars. I had like rack lamb. I

[dcarrie]: 00:46:04

had like when I tell you, and it was it was room service food, so I always expect room service food to cost more, but

[dcarrie]: 00:46:10

I think I spent like thirty dollars, thirty five dollars, and it was an extensive platter and a real good. but

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:46:17

Lam out there and like, I didn't realize how food like the same food, even if you're

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:46:22

at like the local dusty place. like not even

[dcarrie]: 00:46:24

Yes,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:46:24

room service, but

[dcarrie]: 00:46:24

it's just

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:46:25

like

[dcarrie]: 00:46:25

so much better.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:46:27

Yeah, it's so much better and then certain things are better in certain places Like

[dcarrie]: 00:46:30

It.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:46:31

fed cheese in Greece

[dcarrie]: 00:46:34

M.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:46:35

was a whole new La. I didn't know fate like I love fate, but I like Feda cheese and grease

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:46:40

away more than I like fedacheese anywhere else in the world,

[dcarrie]: 00:46:43

I am a cheese girl and I thought my world was rocked in Vermont, But now you've got me really wanting to do like international

[dcarrie]: 00:46:53

cheese, And when I tell you my boy friend is Um, He and his family are well, they're mixed. Well, he's mixed, so

[dcarrie]: 00:47:01

it just makes sense that they've just got more cultural diversity in their home in terms of food, like both my parents

[dcarrie]: 00:47:08

black. So we just did American ship. we didn't

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:47:11

M.

[dcarrie]: 00:47:11

make of food. You know what I mean.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:47:12

M.

[dcarrie]: 00:47:12

so as just I, I like so many things I just didn't know about and I'm not a picky eater, but I know that we like. I just

[dcarrie]: 00:47:22

don't know what a lot of stuff is, so it's like we'll look at a menu and I always just be like. What do I want? just

[dcarrie]: 00:47:28

because he has a really good gage of my palate and so he'll be like. Maybe not this one. You're goin like this.

[dcarrie]: 00:47:36

Maybe asked him to do this source from the side because I know you really not a big fan of this, or in general this kind

[dcarrie]: 00:47:41

of spice level is going to be past You. thrust your threshold. Let's not do this like I always ask. Is this an ethnic

[dcarrie]: 00:47:47

spice or is this like American spice? That's my question when I go to restaurants when I ask about because I love wings.

[dcarrie]: 00:47:54

I'm a bear and wings girl, So I will I bow the ibo with the server like baby ethnic or American, Where where is

[dcarrie]: 00:48:03

the covil like? where are we at? And they, and that's a good Gage for me, so I know whether not give me the mild or

[dcarrie]: 00:48:09

give me like the medium, but he has a better idea What everything is and I just know I'll try it, but I'll know what

[dcarrie]: 00:48:18

it is or I won't remember that I've had it before. whatever. So you have absolutely now because I think where we're

[dcarrie]: 00:48:26

doing Mexico the end of next month and now in my head I'm like I got to really plan something around cheese now like

[dcarrie]: 00:48:34

I really want to go like on a many cheese tour Because it's something that I really enjoy, but I know I'll forget what

[dcarrie]: 00:48:39

something is. He'll know what kinds of cheeses I like and you know, whichever ones I've tried, I didn't like in all

[dcarrie]: 00:48:44

the other Jas, but baby, we're going on a cheese store. Now is happening?

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:48:49

Yeah, Especially there's all these different types of cases when you go there. So you

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:48:53

know checking out that it is amazing. But yeah, cheese and grease was a whole different.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:48:59

I mean, fed of cheese and grease was really different. just like lamb in the Middle East,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:49:03

To me, is really different. It's just these things. it just tastes better. The place is like

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:49:08

we do this. Like

[dcarrie]: 00:49:09

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:49:10

If you go where it's kind of like when you go to a state house and you see your friend

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:49:14

order fish. You like

[dcarrie]: 00:49:15

Or why?

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:49:16

we ad a state house.

[dcarrie]: 00:49:17

why do you

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:49:17

You

[dcarrie]: 00:49:17

trust

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:49:17

get

[dcarrie]: 00:49:18

that?

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:49:18

staked.

[dcarrie]: 00:49:19

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:49:19

Okay,

[dcarrie]: 00:49:20

I always asked with the specialist. Just give

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:49:22

Yeah,

[dcarrie]: 00:49:22

me your. when I travelled. That's one of the things that I learned. I've had some real wild looking plates. Um, I

[dcarrie]: 00:49:29

think the first one was Spain. I stayed like an hour outside of Barcelona, and I pokitospano

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:49:39

Uh, uh.

[dcarrie]: 00:49:40

And so I was like. I know what certain like. I know what piso. Um, like. I can figure out like Um, Piso is actually

[dcarrie]: 00:49:49

floor, but like I can fit.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:49:51

I was thinking that I was like my doo lingo taught me that.

[dcarrie]: 00:49:55

Thank you for not going out so a floor.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:49:59

Oh

[dcarrie]: 00:49:59

but I know Piscato is that fish. Pscati,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:50:03

Yes,

[dcarrie]: 00:50:03

think fish. There we go.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:50:04

yes,

[dcarrie]: 00:50:04

so I'm like Okay.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:50:05

and

[dcarrie]: 00:50:05

I know.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:50:05

polo is chicken because

[dcarrie]: 00:50:06

Yep,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:50:08

I

[dcarrie]: 00:50:08

Those

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:50:08

got that this morning.

[dcarrie]: 00:50:09

in carne is beef, so I'm like. I know what I know. What category this is what I'm getting, But then it was like

[dcarrie]: 00:50:16

the little thing, so certain words I was able to pull together. But then when they started adding like well, this isn't

[dcarrie]: 00:50:21

it. That's I said. Maybe what is your special? What are you good at? Just make me Because to your point, I never

[dcarrie]: 00:50:27

want to go some place and ask for something that you're not used to making. I don't want to ask for something that is

[dcarrie]: 00:50:32

not local to hear or natural here, because I want the freshest that you got, and I want the best prepared thing that

[dcarrie]: 00:50:37

you can make, because I'm not trying to be sick, especially when I did a lot of my solo traveling. The last thing I wanted

[dcarrie]: 00:50:42

to do is be sick by myself and then have the language barrier because this little this little cosmetic bag only has

[dcarrie]: 00:50:49

matron my dough. like I profinbenar in gonna fix this, You know what I mean, Like It wasn't for everything, So that's

[dcarrie]: 00:50:57

one of the things that I always made sure to just ask. What is your special? What do you do here? What are you good?

[dcarrie]: 00:51:03

At same thing with? where was that place? Some place in Europe, not Austria. I don't remember what

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:51:11

M.

[dcarrie]: 00:51:11

it was. I ate, but I just asked for the special. And what's like? What do the most people get here? Give me that it's

[dcarrie]: 00:51:19

going to be safe. It's going o be safe.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:51:21

I think that's a great advice because I've had some again. to your point, some of the

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:51:25

best, and that's actually, when I love the fat even more. Is that in Greece,

[dcarrie]: 00:51:29

M

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:51:29

they have this dish where it's feta, and like a little skillet, And then they put honey

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:51:35

on top of the fete, which I never would have thought to, and then they put

[dcarrie]: 00:51:39

We do, honey

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:51:39

sea.

[dcarrie]: 00:51:39

and

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:51:41

Yeah, and then they put. I mean, now I know, but at the time I was like, I don't know

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:51:44

about this. Then they put sesame, toasted sesame seeds on top. Honey When I tell you, That

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:51:51

is one of the best dishes that has it, this mouth in my life I

[dcarrie]: 00:51:56

Okay, Mental

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:51:56

like,

[dcarrie]: 00:51:57

noting, we're going to try that.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:51:58

and it has some special name, and it's like a very well known dish

[dcarrie]: 00:52:01

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:52:01

in Greece, And it was that one and so like To your point, I do think trying the dish that

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:52:05

people are really really known for not only just expand your mind, because I feel like

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:52:10

you can also learn a lot of history. Like, if you actually talk to them about, Like the

[dcarrie]: 00:52:14

Why

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:52:14

history

[dcarrie]: 00:52:14

is this

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:52:14

of the

[dcarrie]: 00:52:14

a thing?

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:52:14

dish, there's generally something around colonialism, development

[dcarrie]: 00:52:20

M.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:52:20

of country Work life. What was happening Because a lot of those dishes go really far back

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:52:27

and so like you Can also a lot of times get a little insight to the country and the culture

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:52:32

by finding out their popular dishes.

[dcarrie]: 00:52:34

I like that and I feel like servers are always my favorite people to just chop ship with just kind of talk to, because they

[dcarrie]: 00:52:42

will tell you different places to try places to avoid, and they part of their job is talking to you, so it's like they

[dcarrie]: 00:52:47

have to be at this table for a good ten seconds, thirty seconds anyway, So it's like I have your attention. Why not ask

[dcarrie]: 00:52:53

people like talking about themselves? What do you do over here? What do you like? What would you recommend? And I've

[dcarrie]: 00:52:58

gotten some of the most incredible, just like real down to earth recommendations. I've made friends that way. Services

[dcarrie]: 00:53:05

are my favorite people to always kind of like they're my favorite. I love asking service questions.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:53:11

The other

[dcarrie]: 00:53:12

tenders

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:53:12

group that,

[dcarrie]: 00:53:12

all of it.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:53:13

Yeah, bartenders servers all of that. The other ones I like if you've ever gone to Europe

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:53:18

and done the free walking tours because there's

[dcarrie]: 00:53:19

Oh yeah.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:53:20

quite a bit. Yeah, those people. I wait til all the other people lead. And you

[dcarrie]: 00:53:24

Yep.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:53:24

make sure you actually paid them because it's

[dcarrie]: 00:53:26

Tip

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:53:26

free,

[dcarrie]: 00:53:26

him

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:53:26

but

[dcarrie]: 00:53:27

well

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:53:27

it ain't really free. Like

[dcarrie]: 00:53:28

right.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:53:28

So, if you sign up for a free walking tour, don't think you're not paying. you're bringing

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:53:32

money. but it's meant to be a tip and so bring at least twenty five dollars is my recommendation

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:53:37

wherever you're going, but but afterwards hang around. Chop it up. They are some really

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:53:42

authentic

[dcarrie]: 00:53:43

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:53:43

people because those tours are always very real. They're like. Yeah, so we're not walk in

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:53:47

there because that's a waste of time and that like.

[dcarrie]: 00:53:49

Hm.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:53:50

but afterwards there like that's how I, when I was in Amsterdam, had recommended this boat

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:53:54

tour Because you know they have all those all the water and stuff

[dcarrie]: 00:53:57

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:53:57

they're like, But this boat is called them dam boat Guys, And so, but Dam spelt like

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:54:02

you

[dcarrie]: 00:54:02

D

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:54:02

know,

[dcarrie]: 00:54:03

a

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:54:03

A Da.

[dcarrie]: 00:54:03

m. Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:54:03

Yeah, and so it was just, but they're like. it's B. B. So I was like check. I don't have

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:54:10

to

[dcarrie]: 00:54:10

My

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:54:10

pay you

[dcarrie]: 00:54:11

ally.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:54:11

for that. It was really authentic. It was very much like when they're calling them Damn,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:54:15

but guys, it's kind of like traveling ship like

[dcarrie]: 00:54:18

Yep,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:54:18

that's going to be the vive. You

[dcarrie]: 00:54:19

you

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:54:19

get.

[dcarrie]: 00:54:19

get what side We on?

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:54:21

Yes, and it was just like that, but it was super cool like I didn't want a stuffy tour.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:54:26

I

[dcarrie]: 00:54:26

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:54:26

wanted something like that and I probably wouldn't have found them had I not just been having

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:54:30

a real conversation with the free tour, you know

[dcarrie]: 00:54:33

Yeah, So back to China in Covid, So when on twenty nineteen did you get? I assume you know, towards the, Did you

[dcarrie]: 00:54:41

get to have a nice time in China before it wasn't a nice time in China,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:54:46

Girl, I had. I had all of the fun like I

[dcarrie]: 00:54:48

Beautiful,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:54:48

was going to branch. I started a little event series. I have made

[dcarrie]: 00:54:52

Nice,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:54:53

friends like the black people knew who I was and I was new like you know, like I was

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:54:58

like. I literally. I got to China on like a Tuesday, and by Sunday I was at brunch with

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:55:05

my sorority sisters like it was

[dcarrie]: 00:55:06

Beautiful,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:55:06

that kind of vive.

[dcarrie]: 00:55:07

beautiful.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:55:07

It was like Yes, let's go.

[dcarrie]: 00:55:10

Okay, So what was your covid experience like in China? Did they have that zero covid policy from Jump, Or was it? And

[dcarrie]: 00:55:18

then? also, it was known to be problematic in China before we heard about it here in the States. So what was that?

[dcarrie]: 00:55:25

What was that experience like for you?

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:55:28

So for me it was real interesting because I actually got trapped out of China while still working

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:55:32

in China because of all of their rules. So before I left China, I remember it was a lot

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:55:38

of people sick. Of course, nobody knew and

[dcarrie]: 00:55:41

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:55:42

but they already kind of already deal with the flue quite a bit. so like I remember as

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:55:47

an mis, and actually everybody got this. You would get the attendance list in the attendance

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:55:52

list Would also tell you if anybody was in quarantine, And I remember the first day I

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:55:56

saw quarantine As like corn. What's this mean? and so like? They would have classes

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:56:03

isolating just from the flue, and then they would keep the windows open because it was

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:56:08

so crazy because I didn't know about Covid at the time right, but now I hear

[dcarrie]: 00:56:11

When

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:56:11

all

[dcarrie]: 00:56:11

was

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:56:12

of

[dcarrie]: 00:56:12

this?

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:56:12

it Twenty nineteen.

[dcarrie]: 00:56:14

No, I mean, like what time of year? This was like, January

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:56:16

This was

[dcarrie]: 00:56:16

through

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:56:16

like

[dcarrie]: 00:56:16

March. first quarter last

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:56:17

this

[dcarrie]: 00:56:17

quarter.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:56:17

was like December, like December, twenty

[dcarrie]: 00:56:20

Okay,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:56:20

nineteen

[dcarrie]: 00:56:21

the end of

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:56:21

into

[dcarrie]: 00:56:21

the year

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:56:22

January,

[dcarrie]: 00:56:23

got

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:56:23

twenty

[dcarrie]: 00:56:23

it

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:56:23

twenty, and so, but this was just like their practice. You could have gone.

[dcarrie]: 00:56:27

Okay?

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:56:27

and if there was a lot, it didn't matter the month. If there were too many kids who were

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:56:32

catching the flue, they would put that class on quarantine. And so they would have to

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:56:36

play outside at a different time. They had to use the bathroom at a different time.

[dcarrie]: 00:56:40

Interesting

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:56:41

More strict. like cleaning processes, like that room got clean. That bathroom Got cleaned

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:56:47

specifically

[dcarrie]: 00:56:47

Just from the flu.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:56:47

after just from the flue.

[dcarrie]: 00:56:49

beautiful. Okay,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:56:50

But you know they have dealt with saws, and these

[dcarrie]: 00:56:53

Hm,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:56:53

are all in the same family, so that was already procedure. but I remember somebody being

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:56:58

like this feels like more people than normal, and I was like, You know, I didn't know it

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:57:03

was my first

[dcarrie]: 00:57:03

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:57:03

time there, and I was like I made this seem like a lot just because you've got two class

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:57:07

rooms that are quarante Like that's just weird. Um, and you already wore mask and things

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:57:12

a lot because of the air quality. So like there are certain things Already kind of a part

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:57:17

of their normal That lended it so to like what became a reality checking a shock for like

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:57:24

the rest of the world, those, some of those things were like typical Tuesdays in China

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:57:29

To.

[dcarrie]: 00:57:29

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:57:30

so when I left, I remember being on the train because we were on Chinese New Year and this

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:57:34

is really how the world to me really got. it is that Chinese New Year happened a few

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:57:40

months after

[dcarrie]: 00:57:42

Got it. That makes

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:57:42

the first

[dcarrie]: 00:57:42

sense.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:57:43

case. Like

[dcarrie]: 00:57:43

That makes sense.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:57:44

so this, But my theory. Now I know scientists. So you all take this with a pound of salt.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:57:50

So you have Chinese New Year happen, and you have experts who are not just traveling

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:57:56

to like like China. A lot of them are traveling within, trying to into like neighboring

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:58:00

countries, Viandcaree, Japan, Other places that celebrate the lunar New Year, and who

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:58:06

are also off for a considerable amount of time, Because this is a big deal, But then experts

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:58:11

who are there and wanting to go all types of places. So

[dcarrie]: 00:58:15

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:58:15

I was Australia, you know, Um, and people were going all times of places. I really think

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:58:20

this is how it really so quickly got all around the world and wasn't

[dcarrie]: 00:58:25

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:58:25

try, because I think had it even happened. Had the outbreak really happened like a few

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:58:31

weeks after China, New Ear? It? actually, I don't think would have been a global thing,

[dcarrie]: 00:58:35

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:58:35

but it

[dcarrie]: 00:58:35

so

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:58:35

didn't

[dcarrie]: 00:58:35

many people traveling coming in and out for celebrations, seeing family, seeing friends just coming to China to see coming

[dcarrie]: 00:58:42

to like

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:58:42

Hm.

[dcarrie]: 00:58:42

that would be an incredible freaking experience. Can you well? I'm thinking like just little New year in actual China,

[dcarrie]: 00:58:48

Like chum down

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:58:48

Right

[dcarrie]: 00:58:49

down here and be bustling. They be having a good time, so it's like imagine that mother land for them. Come on,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:58:53

Right. So you have all of that happening. So I'm in Australia, visiting my cousin and

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:59:00

I was like. I remember, My cousin is like you see. This is like she, like you're going

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:59:05

back. I'm like well, eventually, and now in my mind, cause I'm all all these chats. Some of the

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:59:10

people have been there when the cars outbreak happened.

[dcarrie]: 00:59:13

Okay,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:59:13

And so I'm thinking it's going to be like Sars, or it will be on shut down because he,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:59:18

like, my flight back to China actually got canceled. So that's actually part of how I

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:59:23

got Trapped out Is like air lines are like. Yeah, Now were

[dcarrie]: 00:59:26

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:59:26

not flying there. You know. Um, there were still a couple. So like my friend who was traveling

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:59:31

with Re, routed and went back. so she's still in China, but I was like If air lines are

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:59:37

telling me they're not going,

[dcarrie]: 00:59:38

Maybe

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:59:39

Maybe

[dcarrie]: 00:59:39

a

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:59:39

I shouldn't go.

[dcarrie]: 00:59:40

yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:59:41

so then because we still travel to the Philippine, and I still, I would never forget the

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:59:46

after leaving Australia and landing in the Philippines, and when you get in your passport

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:59:50

when you've been to China, as a lie as a visa, It's a whole page.

[dcarrie]: 00:59:55

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:59:55

and it's no way you don't know

[dcarrie]: 00:59:57

yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 00:59:57

that she was in China, and I remember that people looking at my passport,

[dcarrie]: 01:00:03

Hm,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:00:03

You know, look at me like I'm Ray and I'm like Now I've been going for more than fourteen

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:00:08

days and you know all of the things at at that point I've been like twenty one days or

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:00:13

something like that, And so when I was leaving, I actually went back to guitar, but now

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:00:18

I'm trying to get back. I'm like Okay. Actually, China is kind of calming down because

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:00:23

I had a lot of rules and restrictions where you couldn't go anywhere, you couldn't. All

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:00:27

the things I was like, Let me get back there because the rest of the world this is starting

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:00:32

to look crazy. I don't try to get back to China, but China still has the like, not China,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:00:37

but like air lines. Like now, you can't transit through so like you couldn't transit through

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:00:43

tight land unless you had a negative Covid test within a certain amount of time. But Covid

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:00:48

test weren't rapid at that time like they weren't a whole bunch of them. So I was in guitar

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:00:52

because I was like. Do you have Covid? Do you think you have it? We're not wasting a

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:00:57

test on you, traveler who don't who's not even a resident here anymore to take a test.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:01:02

So basically I had to like you know, like, just to

[dcarrie]: 01:01:07

Right,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:01:07

get some results. and then you had to have a hundred thousand dollars worth of travel insurance

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:01:13

that would cover you for

[dcarrie]: 01:01:15

Remember

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:01:15

having

[dcarrie]: 01:01:15

that

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:01:15

Covid. Yeah, so I at one point had three tickets trying to get back to China and couldn't

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:01:21

take any of them.

[dcarrie]: 01:01:22

Damn

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:01:23

Yeah, it was just whether it was like we're not doing transit or not doing. it was just

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:01:28

each country had a different set of rules and I ended up by time like I was like. Okay. I

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:01:34

think I figured out a solution. China. close the borders, and

[dcarrie]: 01:01:38

Shit

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:01:38

like was like, if you're not Chinese, you're not getting in. We're not

[dcarrie]: 01:01:41

Right,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:01:41

taking people like. And so my job ended up letting me go, And that was a pretty devastating

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:01:47

thing because

[dcarrie]: 01:01:47

Damn,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:01:48

you heard how I was talking about my life. I was like, Oh, I'm

[dcarrie]: 01:01:50

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:01:51

living like this

[dcarrie]: 01:01:51

damn

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:01:51

is great. That was hard at, mind you, at the same time like I'm still working in China,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:01:57

Though, so like they just cancel my job for the next year, So I'm waking up at like five

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:02:01

o'clock in the morning to work ever Morning to deal with my teachers. talking about

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:02:06

a dream. How is this happening? What is the rule for this and like having to help playing like

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:02:12

safety protocols? And you know figuring out? Okay, Yes, if the teachers enter this way,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:02:17

they can go through this camera that will take a picture of their temperature as they're

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:02:21

walking through. Like so, I knew a lot about what the restrictions were like. You had to

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:02:25

have negative covid test. You have to take so many covidtests so often you had to get a

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:02:30

Q. R code. that verified that you haven't travelled anywhere And everywhere you were entering.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:02:34

Excite. you're showing R. Cos, But I'm doing all this from you know, Kata, because I

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:02:40

couldn't literally couldn't get back into China.

[dcarrie]: 01:02:42

M.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:02:42

It wasn't until I think End of twenty twenty two that they just like lifted,

[dcarrie]: 01:02:50

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:02:50

like

[dcarrie]: 01:02:50

we

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:02:50

people

[dcarrie]: 01:02:50

opened the

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:02:51

being

[dcarrie]: 01:02:51

borders.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:02:51

able to travel, opening the borders, and they did that like ear like it was in March

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:02:57

of twenty twenty that they did that. So

[dcarrie]: 01:02:59

How

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:02:59

you're

[dcarrie]: 01:02:59

did you

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:02:59

come

[dcarrie]: 01:02:59

get

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:02:59

up.

[dcarrie]: 01:03:00

your stuff?

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:03:03

I had to have it packed up by somebody on video like that was. It's like moments like

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:03:08

that like I don't like to use like you know, I feel like I was. I was dramatized, but

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:03:11

like I didn't realize until like later when I was getting over the trauma of how I lost my

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:03:16

job. How everything, which is kind, it felt like everything just got ripped from me, you

[dcarrie]: 01:03:20

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:03:21

know what I mean, and ended up in coat after that and I was like, Oh yeah, I should have

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:03:25

done that, but like one video chat like, Oh yeah, I want this. Can you send this first

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:03:30

so I can get it quickly and it was like To make it affordable. I had to get everything

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:03:35

by boat, which took like three months to get the stuff.

[dcarrie]: 01:03:38

Hello,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:03:40

Yeah, and it was just like it was devastating, you know, like I had literally gone from

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:03:46

a high of like my work had paid for me to do recruitment and tight land, and while I

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:03:51

was there, I got recruited to be on this like international women's like you know thing,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:03:56

That was like a selective group of women, and to go from that to a month later, finding

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:04:02

out like The whole world was upside down to a few months later losing my job and mind

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:04:08

you, an international, if you're international educator, If I'm looking for a job now,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:04:12

I'm late now. and this

[dcarrie]: 01:04:14

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:04:15

is we're recording in February. I didn't lose my job till June, so am looking for a job as an

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:04:22

administrator. As an administrator. They start posting some administrator job more than a year before

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:04:27

the next school

[dcarrie]: 01:04:28

Wow,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:04:28

year, So like the August before the next school year, they're already posting like People

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:04:33

who, as administrators in September knew where they were going for the next year,

[dcarrie]: 01:04:37

Wow,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:04:37

and I'm trying to look for a job during Covid in June. It just was.

[dcarrie]: 01:04:42

With that Chinese visa

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:04:44

Yeah.

[dcarrie]: 01:04:45

in your passport, so they just like. Is it worth it? even? should

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:04:48

Yeah,

[dcarrie]: 01:04:48

we risk it? Even if you've had that much time passed. I can still imagine that being a little taboo for some people

[dcarrie]: 01:04:54

to want to kind of tap dance with that. just because a lot of things we didn't know in the beginning

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:04:58

Yep.

[dcarrie]: 01:04:59

of Covid,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:05:00

yep.

[dcarrie]: 01:05:00

my God, so did you? When you said you still had to work, Did you end up having? Did you know that you weren't being

[dcarrie]: 01:05:08

renewed the next year and then still had to work through the contract or did they Let you go in June, And that was just

[dcarrie]: 01:05:14

like the end of the school year and it was just like Hey, thanks, but no, thanks further.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:05:19

Yeah, it was like, Yeah, you're not. They took our bones. So like anybody who wasn't there

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:05:25

like normally, you get like a month pay of bonus. I got like five hundred dollars. That's

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:05:32

a astronomical difference. They told you in June, and then it was just like. Oh yeah, so

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:05:38

you're not coming back next year And I'm like it would have been like if you were going

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:05:43

to let me go. I wish you had let me go when like, Because they were like ways, so they

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:05:47

were like three waves. There were Waves of people who, like I had people who got let

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:05:51

go. We found out about Ovid. End of January That was gone by. Like in February was like

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:05:57

all right. So that happened in to some degree. I'm very happy that that didn't happen. There

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:06:02

are some people who like they're like. Yeah, you can work to the end of this year, but

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:06:06

we're not going to fool around with this. U. not coming back. Um, And then there were

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:06:11

a set of schools who did what my school did is. I think they were holding out to see if

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:06:14

they could get us back Now. Had they waited another month to let us Like to let us go,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:06:21

they actually would have found out that they could have started to get us back by like

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:06:24

through a special visa request and all of these things, but it was possible, but that

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:06:29

once they let us go, I was like, yeah,

[dcarrie]: 01:06:31

Yeah, we

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:06:31

sorry,

[dcarrie]: 01:06:31

don't have to worry about it anymore. We'll just hire somebody internally. We'll just keep it in house, since we don't

[dcarrie]: 01:06:35

have to worry about all that navigating special visas. The extra testing and she's like, I can tell you you're here

[dcarrie]: 01:06:40

right now.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:06:41

Yeah,

[dcarrie]: 01:06:42

I'm sorry about that. That really fucking blows man,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:06:45

Yeah,

[dcarrie]: 01:06:45

But before we ended up here for three hours, what was? I know? You ended up paying a lot of debt off in this experience

[dcarrie]: 01:06:52

of traveling abroad. I definitely wanted to touch on that. What? how did you make that happen? And how much did you

[dcarrie]: 01:06:58

pay?

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:06:59

So all together was about twenty thousand dollars. Now that includes like student loans.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:07:04

Like clear, all of my student loans I owe some money to had credit cars that I owed a little

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:07:08

bit of like it was all these little things, and so a lot of it. I started that first

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:07:15

year when I was traveling to twelve countries and I remember my mom going. You need to

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:07:20

sit out like you don't need to be going to all these places you need to be there for

[dcarrie]: 01:07:23

Uh? Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:07:24

for the you know

[dcarrie]: 01:07:24

heard

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:07:25

to get your money together.

[dcarrie]: 01:07:25

a couple of times myself. Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:07:27

Yeah, and I was like my. I can't. There was no way I was going to when I first moved to

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:07:32

Catar, Be able to survive and not travel Like traveling is what was making it worth it

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:07:37

to me like you know, like being able to know. In this next break, I'm going to go to Greece

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:07:42

and Italy with my mama. All this next break I'm going to go to stream lock and go to

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:07:47

a tea plantation and write an elephant, which now I don't condone like, I know that's all

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:07:51

bad elephants,

[dcarrie]: 01:07:52

Girl,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:07:52

but

[dcarrie]: 01:07:52

saying my experience

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:07:53

I,

[dcarrie]: 01:07:54

and I was just like. I get why this is not a thing we should do this. Don't

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:07:57

Yeah,

[dcarrie]: 01:07:58

feel good.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:07:59

it does not.

[dcarrie]: 01:07:59

I get it.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:08:00

It does not, but I was like I'm doing it

[dcarrie]: 01:08:02

M.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:08:03

like

[dcarrie]: 01:08:03

yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:08:04

you know, just like say, like I went to Tiland, and you know, like rot like that made

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:08:11

all the drama all the like stuff at work worth it. but I was also still like slowly saving.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:08:17

So like because your housing is covered. Often your transportation is covered or really cheap,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:08:25

and eating is like a kind Lower cost. You really don't have that much or really spending

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:08:31

your money on every month, so let's let's even say you're getting paid on the low in thirty

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:08:37

five hundred, you know a month, and that's actually kind of a lower amount. What are

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:08:42

you spending that really on? Let's even say you spend a thousand dollars on all of the

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:08:47

other things. You still have this good amount of money that's left to then. Like I said

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:08:52

I would travel, I would still go to branches and the branches were like hundred dollar

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:08:57

branches. I didn't care. You know, I would do that,

[dcarrie]: 01:08:59

Hm,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:09:00

but that was a hundred dollars out of a month because I didn't. I wasn't going

[dcarrie]: 01:09:03

Right.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:09:03

some people when every week I was like, Yeah, every week person.

[dcarrie]: 01:09:06

I

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:09:06

I'm

[dcarrie]: 01:09:06

got

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:09:07

like.

[dcarrie]: 01:09:07

a hundred, but not fo hundred.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:09:09

Yeah.

[dcarrie]: 01:09:09

I'll go away. I'll see you this Sunday, not

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:09:11

Yeah,

[dcarrie]: 01:09:12

the next Sunday.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:09:13

So you still have a good amount that, even if like, by the time you pay for groceries

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:09:19

and all of that stuff that you can set aside, so I was like, Well, I committed to myself

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:09:25

to about a thousand dollars a month Was going to go towards those type of things right. So

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:09:30

you think about a thousand dollars a month, three, three years. That's thirty six thousand

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:09:35

dollars of things that I can clear, So I didn't use thirty six thousand dollars. I paid

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:09:40

off about twenty

[dcarrie]: 01:09:42

Right.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:09:42

because that's what I needed, but I even contacted my student loan company and said I, I knew

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:09:47

I wanted to be done with my student loans by time my contract was over,

[dcarrie]: 01:09:51

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:09:51

so I was like How much do I have to pay Because I didn't understand all the ammeturization

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:09:56

and all of that

[dcarrie]: 01:09:56

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:09:56

stuff

[dcarrie]: 01:09:57

neither

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:09:57

of

[dcarrie]: 01:09:57

do I.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:09:57

You re out and put it in writing for me, Because that was the other thing. I was like.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:10:00

You're gonna write this down and

[dcarrie]: 01:10:02

Yep,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:10:02

this is what? So when it's

[dcarrie]: 01:10:03

I

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:10:03

something

[dcarrie]: 01:10:03

may not

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:10:04

different,

[dcarrie]: 01:10:04

understand this, but maybe I do understand some things

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:10:07

Yes,

[dcarrie]: 01:10:07

you can write that. Take that up. thank

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:10:08

Yeah,

[dcarrie]: 01:10:08

you.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:10:09

so they gave me a whole thing about. Like if I did, I think it was like four hundred

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:10:13

thirty six dollars a month. I would be able to pay it off by the date I wanted, so I just

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:10:19

sent them a smooth five hundred

[dcarrie]: 01:10:20

Wow.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:10:20

dollars every month

[dcarrie]: 01:10:21

okay,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:10:22

and ended up. I remember paying that off and then at the same time I did this And things

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:10:27

for my car. I contacted my car. Like how much do I need to pay Every month? paid that

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:10:32

off first, then paid off all my student loan. I think the very first thing I actually

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:10:37

did was my credit cards because the lust weren't high. Vile are like two thousand dollars,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:10:40

so like, I kind of like put a little to all the other things. Like I kept whatever I

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:10:44

was doing in the U. S. for one thing and then was like heavy on one, so like Okay, let

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:10:50

me spend five hundred dollars a month on these credit cars. That was like, like I said, like

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:10:54

two, maybe three thousand dollars paid those off in just a few months. Okay, well, we're

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:10:58

spending five hundred there. Let's shift that to this.

[dcarrie]: 01:11:01

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:11:01

pay that off shift. And you know, like and still like, I was like Okay at the end of

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:11:05

the month. I still have a little bit extra. Sometimes I would send a little bit extra

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:11:09

to pay something also, and I tell people, in three years I went to twenty countries

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:11:14

and paid off twenty thousand dollars a day, you know like

[dcarrie]: 01:11:16

Well,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:11:17

so

[dcarrie]: 01:11:18

well, so while living abroad, how do Europe bills that you acquired back in the States. like? like, I assume they still

[dcarrie]: 01:11:26

want that money on whatever

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:11:27

They?

[dcarrie]: 01:11:27

day.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:11:27

surely they

[dcarrie]: 01:11:28

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:11:28

surely

[dcarrie]: 01:11:29

you could

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:11:29

do.

[dcarrie]: 01:11:29

be getting paid into blooms, but they want those dollars on

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:11:32

Yes,

[dcarrie]: 01:11:32

the day that they mailed they said thirteen.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:11:35

So one thing, one thing that was really helpful living abroad as most places abroad,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:11:40

I don't know too many schools that don't they pay monthly, And I didn't realize that that actually

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:11:44

helped me be a better budget, or because I was like, Oh, because like every two weeks you can't

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:11:49

pay all like you can't pay everything off in two weeks and they still live them two

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:11:53

weeks, so you have to kind of like I'm gonna pay this one off on this, and then when you

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:11:57

get your whole salary in a month, it's like Okay, let me hit all this stuff off right

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:12:02

off the top. Here's your money. here's your

[dcarrie]: 01:12:04

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:12:04

money. here's

[dcarrie]: 01:12:04

and

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:12:04

your

[dcarrie]: 01:12:04

then

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:12:04

money

[dcarrie]: 01:12:04

you

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:12:05

here.

[dcarrie]: 01:12:05

see exactly what you have left from your pay.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:12:08

Right And so part of what I hit off right off the top was I sent my money back to the U.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:12:13

S. and In guitar it cost nothing to send my money back home, so right off the top, here's

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:12:19

a thousand dollars. It was going back to the U. S. This much, stayed in my account.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:12:23

This much. I knew I was going to put towards where I was going next. you know

[dcarrie]: 01:12:26

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:12:26

like that. That

[dcarrie]: 01:12:27

yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:12:27

was kind of my mentality. And so I just made sure that money was in the account, but then

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:12:31

I started I, actually, while I was abroad, I also worked with a financial planner who

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:12:35

helped me really

[dcarrie]: 01:12:36

Wow,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:12:36

accountable about like How I was spending my money. What I was investing in what I wasn't

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:12:41

investing in. Actually, I literally just called him up a few weeks ago. We just met for

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:12:46

the first time last week cause I was like. So the war was in cheap. Um,

[dcarrie]: 01:12:50

Right, we

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:12:51

we

[dcarrie]: 01:12:52

need

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:12:52

go

[dcarrie]: 01:12:52

to readjust

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:12:52

need to.

[dcarrie]: 01:12:52

some things.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:12:53

Yeah, we need go need to work together again. And so we're working together again And

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:12:59

you know I can see like like he, you know, like I feel like I was like. I know that I

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:13:05

spent money on you to tell me things I probably already know

[dcarrie]: 01:13:08

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:13:08

Ready, but I do much better if I, just if I give you this much every month,

[dcarrie]: 01:13:13

Hm.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:13:14

I actually see yields of thousands of dollars myself.

[dcarrie]: 01:13:17

Wow,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:13:17

So

[dcarrie]: 01:13:18

wow,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:13:19

that was also something that was helpful along that journey Is having somebody to talk

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:13:23

through where I was struggling and who understood like I even told him self. The last time we

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:13:28

talked I said. I know I sound like I'm making up excuses, but this is my reality that

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:13:33

I'm living.

[dcarrie]: 01:13:33

Right.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:13:33

and so he's like. Okay, Well, you know, followed up with an email here. Your O book for

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:13:38

the next time we meet. And what I hate more than anything is showing up to a meeting

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:13:42

and somebody being like. Did you work on what you supposed to, and I have to completely

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:13:46

say no. No. I'm okay if I didn't do everything on your list

[dcarrie]: 01:13:49

Okay,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:13:50

right right? okay? I got this. Yeah,

[dcarrie]: 01:13:52

Let me

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:13:53

get

[dcarrie]: 01:13:53

show

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:13:53

to

[dcarrie]: 01:13:53

you

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:13:53

that

[dcarrie]: 01:13:53

where

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:13:53

one.

[dcarrie]: 01:13:53

I did shine though,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:13:54

Yes, but I'm not gonna come to no meeting with nobody and didn't do nothing like

[dcarrie]: 01:13:59

Yeah,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:14:00

we're meeting and I've done zero things now.

[dcarrie]: 01:14:02

Right,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:14:02

So

[dcarrie]: 01:14:02

I'm I'm wasting my money and I'm wasting your time.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:14:04

Yeah, so that was also another thing and it was helpful.

[dcarrie]: 01:14:08

Okay, so this has been such an interview. Thank you so much like you are so easy to talk to. Everything makes sense.

[dcarrie]: 01:14:15

Where can the people find you? Because I know that you do offer services in terms of helping people achieve the

[dcarrie]: 01:14:22

goals that they have in terms of teaching abroad and making the most of their teaching a broad experience. So where

[dcarrie]: 01:14:28

can we find you? What do you specialize in? What do you have coming soon? so that the people know, Because travel

[dcarrie]: 01:14:34

is so much more than vacation as we have spent the last Of this conversation discussing and it's been a great discussion

[dcarrie]: 01:14:41

at that, so thank you again, Adrian. But where can we find you and what do you specialize in So that after all these

[dcarrie]: 01:14:46

cones, after all this conversation when the people hit you up, what are we? Where are we really asking you?

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:14:52

Yeah, so the best way to find me is on my website, which is in the middle of a revamp,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:14:57

so I'm really excited. all this. So world wide educator, Dot, or so, you can find me

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:15:02

on Instagram, where there's quite a bit of content as well. particularly if you're international.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:15:08

You're interested in international education. There's quite a few guides that you can get that'll

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:15:12

help you through that process, telling you about schools And that's at Worldwide Educator on

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:15:17

Instagram And then I'm on Twitter. but not really. you know. kind of like fake Twitter.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:15:22

I'm goin, Facebook, but not really like. Those are the best and linked in. A lot of people

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:15:26

will contact me on Linked in a Jean Waller on Linked In and then some of the things that

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:15:31

I do to support people. Some of it is with people who want to go international and walking

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:15:35

you through and guiding you through. What does that look like? Who are the recruiters?

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:15:39

What are the real recruiters that are going to really help you and which ones might be good

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:15:44

to have on the cause. They don't cost no money. but maybe aren't gonna be. You know, helping

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:15:47

you that much. I talked to people all through that. How to prepare for a job Are what

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:15:52

their? So they need to look like, So I do resume coaching interview coaching. But I

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:15:56

had a couple of people who are like This was a great experience when you help my friend

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:16:00

in this industry, and at first I was like Yeah, I'm a teacher. I just know that what I

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:16:05

learned is I'm a good teacher And so like teaching you how to do your resume. teaching you

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:16:10

how to interview has helped people in a multitude of industry. So I've helped people from

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:16:14

engineering to cybersecurity to marketing, Because it's really about how do you present yourself

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:16:20

in the interview. That so those are some of the key things, But there's a few other

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:16:25

courses and things that I'm going to be offering that are coming down the pipe line,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:16:29

so stay, keep following me. and one that I really enjoy is If you get on my mainly list,

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:16:33

I host these things called Co working sessions where for two hours I open a zoom and its

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:16:38

people from all over the world, getting on just getting stuff done and like the mount.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:16:42

A positive fee back I've gotten from people about being a part of that experience has

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:16:46

been really. Really. I've loved it so

[dcarrie]: 01:16:50

So in terms of who the perfect person to work with you is, is this someone that is already an accredited teacher,

[dcarrie]: 01:16:57

or is this someone that is looking to like for myself? Like if I'm like, Oh, wow, this really sounds like a great opportunity.

[dcarrie]: 01:17:02

But that ain't what my degree is. In What? who is the perfect candidate for you Like who should realistically expect

[dcarrie]: 01:17:09

to be best served

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:17:11

Best serve would definitely be somebody who's a certified teacher. but I've worked with people

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:17:15

who aren't you know who are like, Hey, I'm interested in like they're like, But I think

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:17:19

I might want to do teaching teaching and so like, I've sent people different university things

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:17:24

that they can look into like. Hear some tracks to the universities that you know are

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:17:28

affordable That you might want to do. Hear something in between, A tough that they're offering

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:17:33

for twenty dollars That you can do that will make you competitive like I'll help even

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:17:37

with that, but like, I mean, who I am at my core is a serf, If I teacher, and so certified

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:17:42

teachers. I really really help. but I've helped others like Just a lot of that jury who

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:17:47

are like. I've not certified, but I'm interested because there's some countries that don't

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:17:50

care about that like you know, or have their own programs like Japan, They will get you

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:17:55

on track. Italy will get you in tract. So there's there's

[dcarrie]: 01:17:58

Their

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:17:58

all these

[dcarrie]: 01:17:58

options.

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:17:58

different things, So like If you're just thinking I want to go abroad and teach and you

[adrienne_waller__worldwide_educator] 01:18:03

know that's what you want to do, let's chat.

[dcarrie]: 01:18:07

Beautiful, absolutely beautiful, and that is the perfect conclusion to this incredible conversation. Adrian again, thank

[dcarrie]: 01:18:14

you so much travellers. The information is here. Please reach out. Obviously information in the description box, Adrian's

[dcarrie]: 01:18:23

link for her website will be there, and hopefully she'll E able to help you, or you'll be able to help you after this

[dcarrie]: 01:18:30

conversation and figure out where it is. You want to be all right. Also focus next week.